ok i say nature is out of balance you say is that scientific is it spiritual i say it's scientific and spiritual you say you never heard that word that way that certainly anyway things are happening things are converging. is that spiritual i say or scientific. it comes from the bible i think no teilhard de chardin say and from everything that rises must converge the great flannery o'connor talkin bout teilhard's omega point collective consciousness.  
       Remain true to yourself, but move ever upward toward greater consciousness and greater love! At the summit you will find yourselves united with all those who, from every direction, have made the same ascent. For everything that rises must converge.
you didn't mean that i know you say there is no spiritus mundi but nonetheless convergence ok we agree on one thing convergence and the suspicion we might be doomed to what we don't know we know we can't speculate apotheosis ha not perhaps the annihilating singularity nah apocalypse not spiritual but something we can at least agree on.