in the sort of anarchistic ideology and anarchistic discourse shit has a sort of a magical function, if you like, as a sort of a magical word, that is uh, in a sense sums up, a uh, sort of defiance, a desire to shock and to go against social convention.

 and, uh, social niceties. so it is a part of anarchist ideology, which if you like is about revolt, almost revolt for its own sake. so in all those moments when one can feel that sense of revolt, that sense of derision, i think it should be remembered that this is a joyful ideology. there should be nothing sad about anarchism. it should be seen as a very positive, optimistic, joyful ideology.